Assalamu Alaikum Wr Wb Dear Brother Hasan Koya, You wrote: I already told you that except Allaha the almighty, nobody can arrange Islamic festivals in one day.
Please do not write thoughtless sentences in the name of Allah Subhanau Thala. Muslim Ummah should do their compulsory Juma prayer, on Friday (Yaumul Juma) only. If we can not arrange the Juma prayer on Friday world wide, then how can Allah SWT ask us to do the juma prayer on Friday, the same day world wide? Are we Muslims facing any problem in doing Juma prayer world wide on Friday? In the calculated moon phase calendar 1428 Shawal 1 falls on Friday. If world wide Muslims can do their juma prayer on Friday, then what is the problem in arranging Eid prayer on Friday, the same day worldwide? Do you still argue that, it is impossible to celebrate Eid on the same day worldwide? Brother Hasan, You wrote: Here one day means one Gregorian calendar day and date.
Do you argue that without Gregorian calendar we can not have an Islamic calendar? Do you argue that nobody can arrange Islamic festivals in one day, even in the absence of Gregorian calendar? Brother Hasan, You wrote: If you think that Br Khalid Shoukat's universal caledar is impracticable , how Br Ali Manikfan,s and Farhat Siddiqu's calendars acceptable to you?
Br Khalid Shoukat's universal calendar emulates the naked eye observation method of Prophet (pbuh). Br.Khlaid shoukath is considering the naked eye observation method used by prophet (pbuh) and sahaba (pbut). He is considering the naked eye observation method as an act Ibadah, but at the same time he fails to follow the hadith completely (you agreed the same in your last mail).
Br. Ali Manikfan's calendar is purely based on the calculation method. Manikfan is considering only the objective of prophet's naked eye observation method. Please see below the two objectives of prophet's naked eye observation method.
To know the Exact Count of Days in each month, either 29 days or 30 days. To know the Week Day of beginning the Month. ( It is to know, Hijra 1428 Shawal 1 , falls on which Day world wide(Thursday or Friday or Saturday) . Brother Hasan, You wrote: nobody can arramge Islamic festivals in one day since the earth is in a globe shape and half of the globe is always dark and the other half is bright
The last Eid ul Adha (HIJRA 1428), was on Wednesday in Saudi. It was on Friday in Indonesia. It was on Saturday in India and Pakistan. Is the globe shape of Earth responsible for the split in Muslims celebrating Eid on different days?
JazakAllahu Khairan Lahu Shaneeb CK www.hijracalendar.org
On 12/27/07, Javid <javidn@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Mr.Shaneeb, I would like to quote some aspect infront of u. in my opinion, in islam, the Days are determined based on movement of Sun also the months are determined based not upon movement of sun, but depends on Moon, thats why we cant celebrate eid in same day. and Prophet (S) ordered to determined by seeing the Moon. Javid
On Dec 27, 2007 11:39 AM, Shaneeb CK < shaneeb@gmail.com> wrote: Assalamu Alaiku Wr Wb Dear brother javid, you wrote "we cant celebrate eid in same day" If Friday is Eid, then what is the problem in celebrating Eid on Friday, the same day all over the world. you may re-write your wordings as "we cant celebrate eid in same time" shaneeb
On 12/27/07, Javid <javidn@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, thats my mistake, pardon me. i shouldn't say like that.. now i have doubt, if on 29th ramdan we saw the moon, so 30th would be eid, but same date no other countries couldnt watch the moon on 29th including Saudi, only in kerala have seen the moon, because of clouds. so will saudi or any other arab country ready to celebrate the eid on 30th, since they couldnt watch the moon because of cloud? Javid
Assalamu Alaikum Dear Br. Javid Why prophet(pbuh) asked us to observe moon? Answer is, to know whether a month has 29 days or 30 days. Am I right? Prophet never taught us , sighting is an act of ibadah. Quran asked us to use calculation to know the count of dates. so once you identified Hijra 1428 Ramadan has 30 days by observation or calculation ,all mulsim world should fast 30 days. We do not have the right to decide whether ramadan has 29 days or 30 days. Allah already decided it. Our duty is just toknow that. See the Quran Valakhad Khadarnahu Manazila ,Li Thalamoo Adada sineena val hiasb. Imagine if prophet didnt ask us to complete 30 days if cloud, Our Ulema may ask us to fast till we see the moon. If there is monsoon season, then we may fast 36 or 46 days till we see the moon. Our ulema many times compelled us to fast only 28 days. shanneb
The hadeeth is just like this... Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said in connection with Ramadan: Do not fast till you see the new moon, and do not break Fast till you see it; but if the weather is cloudy, calculate the month to be thirty days.
Your question was like "Why prophet(pbuh) asked us to observe moon? Answer is, to know whether a month has 29 days or 30 days. Am I right?"
even if the calculations says the moon will be in horizon for a particular day,. we should see that by eye, then only we should fix the Eid i think, moon observation is the act of 'sunnah', prophet and sahibis were used to watch this. so we should follow the act.
and u didnt respond to my answer regarding friday prayer and Eid... while days are determined based upon movement of sun, Eid - determined by the movement of Moon. also please answer to my doubt on last post.
dear all.... Now the muslims not yet understanded the serious of hirji calender. They are thinking the hijri callender only for eid and ramalan!!!. Other all occassion they are depending the Gre. callender.!!! Then they are silently agreed the there is no calender in Islam.!!! first we must understand the hijri callender is only one from allah and rasool. this is the only one is correct becouse this from Allah. What is the use of callender ? Assume we are not following the Greg. calender, what will happened ? Can you fix any program in your house by the date ? if you r fixing your marriage on Rajab 1, what will happen ? On the same day one of your friend has the same day is Rajab-2 or Jamad ul aakhar 29-or 30, !!!!!!!!!!when he will come to your marriage ? on his date or your date???? what a controdiction in our thinking, but 100%sure, this is not from Allah. If allah is give anything that must be accurate and errorless. think........and obey the rule of allah, only.